mzmadmike ([info]mzmadmike) wrote,
@ 2009-05-17 17:10:00
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Entry tags:guns, parties

Build Party Weekend
Built this (receiver and some of the guts and all disassembly, fitting, timing and assembly)







It is the AK47 assault rifle, the preferred weapon of your enemy, and it makes a very distinctive sound when fired at you. For those recent to this subject, yes, it is completely legal to build your own weapon for personal use, as long as you comply with all laws on specifications and operation.
(Hey, Eric Holder: FUCK YOU!)

Reparkerized this (my riot gun, MI police surplus and very well used and worn)($130 shotgun with $1000 of accesories)







and this (1888 Commission Rifle, which I got as $25 worth of busted parts and have rebuilt since)







I also prepped two more demilled ROMAKs for next time, and parkerized two other barrels with help from fellow author David Burkhead doing much of the blasting and dipping for me, and making sure I didn't lose track of time while doing other things.


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[info]rightc0ast
2009-05-17 09:17 pm UTC (link)
All the picture links say moved or deleted for some reason.

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[info]mzmadmike
2009-05-17 09:22 pm UTC (link)
fixed, I hope

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[info]rightc0ast
2009-05-17 11:01 pm UTC (link)
Affirmative, all pictures showing up as intended now. :D

Sweet party!

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[info]mzmadmike
2009-05-17 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Who's this handsome thing? In the hands of some ugly guy:



And someone oiling down a Browning 1917.



A tableful o guns



The host's peacock



The Grub--they kept us fed with sausage gravy over biscuits, and charcoal roasted pork.



A view of the controlled chaos

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[info]wyjoe
2009-05-17 11:34 pm UTC (link)
Looks like it was fun. I wish I was in a position to come help. I'd love to have an AK. Maybe someday.

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[info]mrmeval
2009-05-18 12:49 am UTC (link)
If you don't have a kit they're now running about the cost of a US assembled one made with a US barrel, receiver and internals. I bought the last kit JG Sales had just before the build rush hit. I paid 135.00, now they're 500 and up if you can get them. Without the barrel it's 350 or so for Yugo's.

The drastic difference in price is the way an import law is worded. The barrel was allowed in earlier. The current ones cannot have the barrels imported. So the cost is much higher because of the rather insane demand and the addition of the US made barrel.

The only difference between the two is quality and there is no federal paper trail. Your state may not allow this so check carefully.

I'd mentioned to madmike that you can buy the serial numbered one. Cut the receiver off of it. Sell the serial numbered receiver to someone through an FFL with all the paper work. Make and install a receiver and have a paperless AK.

BTW up close that rifle looks better than the Century Arms crap you see at gun shows. It looks as good as some of the very reputable makers like Armory and it was most likely far cheaper.


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[info]tomcatshanger
2009-05-18 02:27 am UTC (link)
I don't see the value of this. Would the feds really care that you resold the receiver?

If it comes down to caring about you owning a semi-auto rifle, I'm not sure they would take your world that you're unarmed.

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[info]mzmadmike
2009-05-18 03:28 am UTC (link)
It's cheaper to do that than buy a kit, and you can then show a receipt stating you sold the weapon. I don't see the value, just buy one second hand, but it's ironic that it's cheaper to do that than just buy a kit.

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[info]tomcatshanger
2009-05-18 03:43 am UTC (link)
If it's cheaper, that's just funny.

Kits folks are taking good advantage of the market hu? I haven't priced kits in 3 years or more, since I decided I didn't care for AK's and lost interest.

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[info]mrmeval
2009-05-18 04:16 am UTC (link)
It transfers the serial numbered receiver to someone else and the paper trail follows them. And no they won't but some people want to make it more difficult for them to be sure.

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[info]wombat_socho
2009-05-17 11:31 pm UTC (link)
Very cool. The AK-47 in particular looks museum-quality.

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[info]onyxhawke
2009-05-18 12:04 am UTC (link)
TOYS!!!!!

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[info]denelian
2009-05-18 01:19 am UTC (link)
that third rifle is *pretty*
it reminds me, quite oddly bcuz there isn' a real resemblence, of the rifles my high school had for competition...

i don't want an AK. i want an MP5. no, i don't know why. honestly, i am happy enough with the Beretta 9-mil we have, it covers anything we might need a gun for (i can't walk. how am i supposed to go hunting? and i haven't got hunting since i was... 17? i think?) and i can shoot it without hurting myself. which i can *not* say of most rifles. or shotguns. or even bigger/non-auto pistols.
(i fired a 45 revolver once. i dislocated my wrist...)

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[info]mzmadmike
2009-05-18 01:28 am UTC (link)
http://users.skynet.be/sb018269/images/Gewehr88.jpg The Gewehr 88 (Commission Rifle of 1888) originally looked like this. Mine had a destroyed stock, no barrel shroud, no bolt head, and was generally beat to hell. It now looks like it does.

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[info]argonel
2009-05-18 02:28 am UTC (link)
Beautiful flame coloring on the bolt. Are you planning on leaving it like that, polishing it so it's silver all over or parkerizing/coloring it so the reflection won't reveal you position to the zombies?

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[info]mzmadmike
2009-05-18 03:27 am UTC (link)
I'll clean it up when I clean up the weld. I need to wedge the barrel--the channel is way oversized from the shroud. I need to tune the trigger. I need to add sights.

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[info]denelian
2009-05-18 02:34 am UTC (link)
is very pretty!

does it come with a bayonet? *is* that a bayonet in the pic? (it might be, i think it is...)

bayonets are fun.

you do kick-ass work! i am not that good at "crafty" things (and gunsmithing is crafty, even if there aren't flowers or ribbons involved)

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[info]mzmadmike
2009-05-18 03:36 am UTC (link)
The Gew 88 takes the 1871 Mauser bayonet, which I think run around $300. I'm going to have to fabricate something cheaper. There are also some Turk "ersatz" bayonets welded out of pipe and bar.

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[info]denelian
2009-05-18 08:13 am UTC (link)
nah, i am sure what you make would be better.cheaer + as good/beter = the best :)

thats all my math 4 the day. have a quiz later. must sleep

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[info]hugh_mannity
2009-05-18 01:24 am UTC (link)
Now that's a good party!

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[info]762nato
2009-05-18 02:23 am UTC (link)
Mike, what did you use to drive the rivets in the AK receiver? Hammer and mandrel or a hydraulic press? I"m very jealous. I'd love to do a build, I've got and AK pattern rifle but it's lonely.

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[info]mzmadmike
2009-05-18 03:26 am UTC (link)
That's the side with the machined heads. I hammered some, used a rivet gun, and used an hydraulic press with fixtures for the internal ends. You also don't need to dismount the barrel from the trunnion if you do it right.

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[info]762nato
2009-05-18 10:27 pm UTC (link)
BTW you're going to need a mag tube - barrel support clamp for that 870. Bump the end of the mag tube the wrong way and it'll go all wonky on you. It would be inconvenient if that were to happen at the wrong time. Like when checking on midnight callers. I happen to have a spare sans swivel if you're interested.

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[info]mzmadmike
2009-05-19 04:24 am UTC (link)
I have one, but I don't like putting tension on the barrel like that. I may fabricate one to take a bayonet, though. As it is, the barrel's long enough it's not an issue.

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[info]chris_gerrib
2009-05-19 03:34 pm UTC (link)
Is that a fiberglass stock on the 1888 or just an artifact of the picture?

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[info]mzmadmike
2009-05-20 02:45 am UTC (link)
I cut the wood down, added wood for grip and cheekpiece, cooked out as much Cosmoline as I could, epoxy coated it, and painted it with a spraybomb. It's cheap, ergonomic, reasonably accurate, federal firearm law exempt, and fun.

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looks purty
[info]rlg
2009-05-23 02:26 pm UTC (link)
Those are some nice/effective appearing pieces. Did you get a chance to fire them?

I don't like guns (I find them loud, smelly, dangerous and they give me a headache), but I can appreciate fine workmanship where I see it.

In the 1888 Commission rifle, is the camo patterning on the furniture part of it, or was it done as part of the build?

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[info]rlg
2009-05-23 02:27 pm UTC (link)
ah, the 1888 question was answered above, my apologies. Still nice work.

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Re: looks purty
[info]mzmadmike
2009-05-23 11:44 pm UTC (link)
I know the 88 and the 870 work. I test fired the AK with dummies, then live ammo, to ensure proper function.

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Re: looks purty
[info]rlg
2009-05-26 10:29 pm UTC (link)
Good. It's be a shame to go to all that effort for just a wall ornament.

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Re: looks purty
[info]mzmadmike
2009-05-27 12:15 am UTC (link)
I don't own any weapons that are wall ornaments.

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Re: looks purty
[info]rlg
2009-05-27 02:09 am UTC (link)
I only own one that qualifies ... but it's a sword, and I have it because it was handed to me and nobody was around to hand it off to.

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Parkerizing
(Anonymous)
2009-05-26 01:52 pm UTC (link)
What do you use for Parkerizing that makes them come out so black?

I used Lauer's Manganese Phosphate solution on my CZ-82 and it came out of the tank light grey. Soaking in WD-40 overnight turned it green. It actually doesn't look bad, and the finish is wearing quite well, but it isn't the color I was expecting it to be.

Thanks in advance.

Curtis
aka Sailorcurt
Captain of a Crew of One (http://sailorcurt.blogspot.com)

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Re: Parkerizing
[info]mzmadmike
2009-05-26 07:30 pm UTC (link)
Not sure what was mixed up there, it wasn't my tank, however, IIRC, Manganese gives gray, and zinc gives darker gray, almost black.

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Re: Parkerizing
(Anonymous)
2009-05-27 01:07 pm UTC (link)
Actually, according to everything I've read, Manganese is supposed to be the darker finish.

That's why it surprised me when it came out so light. I'm not sure if it's the composition of the metal that the CZ-82 uses (I know that the CZ-82 doesn't take cold blue well) or if it's the makeup of the Lauer parkerizing solution and there is something I could do to make them blacker.

I've got two more to do and I'd like a darker finish if I can figure out how to accomplish it...hence my question.

Thanks for the reply.

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Re: Parkerizing
[info]mzmadmike
2009-05-27 01:10 pm UTC (link)
Steel composition matters, as does temperature and length of treatment and mix ratio.

If they don't take blue well, I'd suspect they're using a high nickel or chromium alloy, and that won't park well either.

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(Anonymous)
2009-06-01 07:49 am UTC (link)
New to this blog, I am aware of the Stewart decision in the 9th circuit but was not aware whether it was upheld at the SCOTUS level and applied nationally. If not, what ruling or reg do we now have to allow us to roll our own Class III?

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[info]mzmadmike
2009-06-01 01:47 pm UTC (link)
So far there is no ruling on home made Class III high enough to matter. You can still make suppressors, AOWs and SBRs, or convert a rifle to pistol, after paying the $200 tax stamp. Full auto are still restricted to builders with licenses and bona fide contracts.

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